Did he legitimately think that Proto-Potou-Akanic had triple vowels? In: Bernd Heine & Derek Nurse (eds), A linguistic geography of Africa. Thus, the noun cattus cat is only attested in late Latin sources. the som fra l till fiskerijdh eller fiskilgie SO 295 . So much of the ancient writing that remains to us is repetitive funerary formulae. But I only know this because Ive already done a lot of reconstruction before even thinking about trying any lexicostatistics. Im not misrepresenting Blench at all in this matter: simply describing exactly what he does (in two quite specific instances, moreover.) I agree with Rillys implication that reconstruction would be more likely to shed light on Meroitic rather than the other way round. Just Merritt-Ruhlen-level failures to grasp the basic principles of genuine research. yD?s"[-;ra*M]Eg{U= (Id actually never looked up Jordanes original, and did not realise that he expressed the concept in two ways, one of which is unaccountably cited less often. (I dont otherwise participate However, just now looking at the actual Swadesh 100 list, I can only see four French loans offhand (and four Norse). The Calvert Journal (a daily briefing on the culture and creativity of modern Russia), Arnold Zwickys list of blogs and resources, Cambridge International Dictionary of Idioms, TITUS: Thesaurus Indogermanischer Text- und Sprachmaterialien, American Heritage Dictionary Indo-European Roots Appendix, Andras Rajkis Etymological Dictionary of Arabic, Das Deutsche Wrterbuch von Jacob und Wilhelm Grimm, Trsor de la langue franaise informatis, Centre National de Ressources Textuelles et Lexicales, Vocabolario Etimologico della Lingua Italiana, RAI Dizionario dOrtografia e di Pronunzia, electronic Dictionary of the Irish Language, MacBains Etymological Dictionary of the Gaelic Language (1911 edition), [Modern Greek Dictionary], LBG (Lexikon zur byzantinischen Grzitt = Lexicon of Byzantine Greek), - , Nianyans Turkish Etymological Dictionary. It is based on great diversity of Ethiopian Semitic languages. I give up with that one. Im not sure that this is creative in the sense that you mean, . The Geez and Ugaritic dates match, as does that of the misattributed Aramaic. Yom-Nawdm is also closer to WOV than to the Gurma languages: theres no reason to think it forms a branch with Gurma. 2a and 2b below). The assumption that all languages change at a regular rate is unproven at best, and there is a significant body of evidence tosuggest it is false. (Ive seen quite a number of plainly erroneous statements about individual Western Oti-Volta languages which would have been avoided if the authors had looked even a little at the related languages comparative work has unequivocal value in understanding contemporary phenomena. Several of them appear to make no sense. SImilarly, et is in a word list for arsusi (Oman) and I heard it mentioned in the context of Yemen. I can get away with inputting alternative words, like ordenador instead of computadora; sadly it hasnt taught me voseo forms so I cant test if they work for either 2nd person. /org/, Komi /eri/ ~ /erig/, without any standard etymology though I saw a proposal some years back to compare this with the also otherwise unetymologized Hungarian sgr perch. And anyone who thinks they need to proclaim banalities like these to the satirist Dorothy Parker is in the same situation. (I may be unfair. If all we had were the contemporary standard languages, though good luck. It is just a dialect. But I guess the linguistic question might be whether there are Bantu-origin loanwords in the regional varieties of Arabic where that ancestry is most common? LBG (Lexikon zur byzantinischen Grzitt = Lexicon of Byzantine Greek) Cats are popular, I always thought that there must be Book of Cat somewhere. That said, I seem to remember that the idea that Semitic originated in Ethiopia and spread from there to Asia (propagated by Roger Blench?) As Ive said before, Im always surprised by Gerrit Dimmendaals acceptance of Nilo-Saharan as a genetic unity, when he shows a (very sensible, in my view) caution with other overhasty Greenbergian constructions like Niger-Congo and Khoisan. My point is that I can think of no reason that instead, we see A1147, A1149, A2147, A5147 and a host of other survivals of A, and then no B, C, D, maybe a single E and two languages in F, but then G1113, G2052 and G6457 and a host of other survivals of G. In essence, my issue is that the pattern of survival isnt fractal. P.S. A similar thing has happened with the loanword pysgodyn fish, though that one seems also to have involved some creative reanalysis of Latin piscatus as a Welsh plural form. The case with Khoe-San does not seem quite as desperate as you are implying, either. There is: you sit down and investigate the slightly different datasets and the decisions to pick up cognacy judgments from prior researchers or use their own, consider grammatical data or only use lexical data, use variations on the methods of calculation etc.. O. Hieda, C.Knig and H. Nakagawa eds. Jan Freemans Boston Globe column So, while fish in their wild state were all different kinds of kud, the activities that transformed fish into culturally significant products were a little more fine-grained in their taxonomy. I do wonder to what extent Akkadian, or a direct descendant thereof, was still the spoken language in the Neo-Assyrian and/or Neo-Babylonian empires and if so, how much relation it held to the written language of the contemporary cuneiform tablets. The Perception of Indo-European in Greece. Proto-Oti-Volta had a perfectly good word for fish, which survives to this day (after four thousand years, if Sarostins methods are reliable) in all the languages I have data for except Hanga, Nateni and Nawdm, despite the speakers of Oti-Volta languages all living a good few hundred miles from the sea . NB: I wrote it this way because I do not know the actual distribution. Let us imagine that in Imperial Roman times Proto-Brythonic was spoken in inland Central/Western England, with coastal Eastern/Southern England being Romance-speaking. Mampruli yugumpiinni hedgehog has a second component which looks like it either is, or has been remodelled on, piimni arrow, which at least makes some sort of sense. The laryngeal must have been present for the schwa secundum to be inserted; without laryngeal, we would expect ., By contrast in Uralic *kala is highly stable. (eds. Instead of Hamito-Semitic, the Russian linguist Igor Diakonoff later suggested the term Afrasian, meaning half African, half Asiatic, about the geographic distribution of the familys constituent languages. The Ethiopian paper has a map/plot of ethnic groups showing their affinities to Dinka, the ancient Mota genome (eastern African hunter-gatherer) and Egypt. Language production typically starts out with utterances, as behavioral elements which provide the initial basis for expressing relations between semantic content and phonetic form. Schrijver has the morphological details here. Thats a fault known as Word Not In, or WNI: the use of a word in a definition that does not appear in the dictionary. Well, yes, Blench is right: Gldemann here is not interested in genetic relationship. These emerge relatively early in Turkish compared with European or Semitic languages. I mean the latter thats the one we can say anything about from Semitic-internal data. bratn, maigre, e. Fish is on (all) the Swadesh Lists. Above, breeding in fresh water, not on land. It seems in Oman these words entered fish territory. Honey, sorry, but were going to need to quit our jobs, pull the kids out of school and move to Darfur. I think they just mean that Akkadian is the first attested Semitic language. Manessy seems not to have realised that the Atakora is a Sprachbund: we can see this because of Boulba itself, in fact: although its definitely WOV, it shares all but two of the sound changes that Manessy took as diagnostic of Eastern (and one of the other two is shared with the Gurma languages.) That reminds me of this Russian paper on Hadza finding that some 20% of the most basic vocabulary of this outlier language, and a bit of the grammar, is AA. or a great fish; any great fish (LANE) hat im Gegensatz zu samak fish die Nebenbedeutung gro. @PP, yes, the morpheme appears in such words as well, I just couldnt come up with any. The relevant Berber forms, such as Siwi yttus, arent even reconstructible for proto-Berber, and are mainly attested in Tunisia and eastward, in areas where Latin had a particularly strong presence; they are much more likely to be loans from Latin into Berber (and are treated as such in Kossmanns The Arabic Influence on Northern Berber, the most recent general study of loanwords in Berber). Heres a link to an article on ancient rivers and lakes of the green Sahara. WebThe Semitic languages originated in Africa and was disseminated outside Africa through the corridor of the Arabian peninsula. The opposite idea, that Semitic originated geographically close to the other AfAs language families (so, in Africa), has been proposed a few times but not been widely accepted. * I myself would be quite OK with this, although I would probably think rather that Proto-Mande had in fact lost the class system. Looks like an iterative that forms part of a Kluge mess to me. as far as I know, the common understanding is that Semitic spread into the Levant and Mesopotamia from the South. The list itself can be based on Mande data. In biology it was a century later: Linnaeus vs. Darwin. SD 5: 699 (1347, gammal afskr.). This was done before the main work and wasnt published separately (nooo-body will publish negative results! Unfortunately, the WOV languages are actually all pretty similar when measured on a Swadesh-100 metric, so its something of an explanation in search of a problem. I can change gender by suffixation, or in a childish manner by adding -a to make it feminine (regularized in Latvian for human beings) and changing agreement (regularized in Russian for human beings). No amount of fancy maths can compensate for poor experiment design, invalid assumptions and rubbish data. Those were the times lo these onescore years ago. Actually, jargon and tabu replacement are related phenomena. If youre trying to figure out where the turtles come from, all mammals are the basalmost living amniotes, and Ive seen them quite casually called that in a paper that wasnt joking either. Among the (very few) texts by Ehret that I read the most memorable was the Innovation Rant. It is not up to splitters to prove a negative. His name looks more Danish than Norwegian. Preach it, Brother Roger! I think the former proposal cant be accepted without discussion, you think the latter proposal cant be accepted without discussion. That could be accounted for in various ways, e.g. And just the first row, all, cognate sets: [kllu kllu kullu hullu kulluzo:m hulln ullmka kullmu nm nn nnm nnm kol kl kalu kal kal koll kull] If you find the same language in distant countries, you may be sure that the inhabitants of each have been the same people; that is to say, if you find the languages are a good deal the same; for a word here and there the same will not do. Ah. ), these animals are not labeled with the Spanish word for shark, tiburn, but instead with titles like cazn, a word commonly used for several types of fish. I do not really like the word, though (Wikipedia explains why: Basal_(phylogenetics)), Our estimate for the origin of Semitic (44007400 YBP) predates the first Akkadian inscriptions by approximately 1003000 years.. Because I would expect that hunter-gatherer societies would continue to fracture, and to survive fractally. This needs to be qualified for a verb-final language like Turkish, where the unmarked means of clause linkage is by nonfinite, nominalized constructions. fiskrij), n. [Mnt vischerie] L. Perhaps I only believed that because of the interlocking logic of my folk etymology.) was that Bantu preserved the system of the protolanguage, from which everyone else has degenerated (nicely matching nineteenth-century conceptions of language change in general.) I do not know the Arabic alphabet and ask naive questions, so feel free to ignore them ????. a fish 2. the sign of the zodiac Pisces 3. name of a teacher of yoga, The authors are different (they write Taforalt but Kelif al Boroud). The latter are the weaker. Greenbergs model was fully developed in his book The Languages of Africa (1963), in which he reassigned most of Meinhofs additions to Hamitic to other language families, notably Nilo-Saharan. Megachadic is probably going too far in the opposite direction . Hare is small game like pheasant and quail WIWAL that was a different class from chickens and geese on one side, and pork and beef on the other. grammatical evidence is the main basis for classification. Anikins new Russian etymological dictionary, now on letter ) But maximizing impact by creating spinoffs goes against this logic, Was wondering about the conflicting claims of studies from 2016 (ancient Levantine Y-DNA in Chadic speakers) and 2018 (Y-DNA in Chadic speakers all came from Baggara intrusions in historic times), then realized Dmitry Pruss had trumped some of this with a mid-2019 post in this thread. Native Like many have answered before, its a semitic language. If you are interested in linguistics, you should check a book of language families in your I always recommend it for improving ones self-esteem and to people who believe foreign langauges are difficult and wish it were used as the language of international communication exactly because of its system of tenses and irregular verbs. 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