Going further the stations could even be built by private developers who would get a height bonus for building the station. Noise complaints, and B46 would have to be detoured. The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. The Manhattan plans remained the same, but the line east from South 4th Street would continue on only to Marine Park via Utica Ave. We have a new formula for success: were going to aim for an average team height of 5 3. Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), The Future of the Green Line: From Harvard and Needham to the Seaport, Unbuilt Highways of New York City and Robert Moses. This station's mezzanine and exterior can be seen in various points of 6ix9ines music video for the song "Kooda". 2- rebuild the Eastern Pkwy Station so that there are provisions for the line to pass through. I was gonna comment this on Build Transit Where Its Most Effective, Not Where Its Least Expensive but comments were closed. Despite its name, this station has no exit to the corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway. With it both 2/3 trains would only go to Brooklyn College while 5 trains would serve the local stations, Nostrand Ave, Kingston Ave, and Utica Ave before turning south to Kings Plaza, while 4 trains would stay express to Utica Ave and take over service to New Lots. Late nights/weekends the 4 will go to Kings Plaza. Ive thought of three more elevated footprint lightening techniques; these are all actually in use right now: 9. After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. make elevateds palatable again I want everything else done so that it ensures it will work. Unlike the Utica Ave stretch, the Flatbush Ave structure would run along the center of the street on a modern concrete viaduct (similar to what the AirTrain uses long Van Wyck Expressway). If you tried to create a branch off of Fulton for Utica it would be very costly and awkward, but not impossible. ; Mayor Declares Subway Open -- Ovations for Parsons and McDonald", "Brooklyn Joyful Over New Subway Celebrates Opening of Extension with Big Parade and a Flow of Oratory An Ode to August Belmont Anonymous Poet Calls Him "the Brownie of the Caisson and Spade" He Talks on Subways", "618 Miles of Track In The Dual System; City Will Have Invested $226,000,000 When Rapid Transit Project Is Completed", "Differ Over Assessment Plans in Transit Projects: Eastern Parkway Subway and Livonia Avenue Extension the Cause of Bitter Dissension Among Property Owners Uptown", "More Interborough Service for Brooklyn 2 New Lines", "Brooklyn Tube Extensions Open: I.R.T. The point is that anything involving using an extension of B Division is more complicated, for no reason, than just extending the IRT. Another diamond crossover, east of here, connects the southbound express track to a ramp down to the lower level. The problem here is between these two streets one lane will have to be teared up and bus stops will have to be relocated and detoured, which messes up a lot of commuters daily travel. Spend that 343 million in 9-year-old dollars and where do the additional runs go? The line was proposed to cut across town to Columbus Circle, one avenue block away. Might fit in with narrow streets with tall buildings? street-side condemnation would be for the head-houses. Queens Blvd is one of the busiest trunk lines in the city, so its definitely a second on the priority list, and even with East Side Access the MTA has set aside room to build the connecting tracks for the Bypass. Abandoned Stations List; . The 5 train doesnt run in Brooklyn on late nights and weekends. As someone wiser than I recently put it: Ultimately a project with a higher up front price tag will be an invaluable investment that will pay dividends far into the future.. On a side note, the Rogers Street Junction needs to be rebuilt regardless of any extensions. Also if most people are going to midtown (which Id argue given the census data I show isnt the case) then there is nothing in the way of this with the new routing. In addition, a two-track branch line along Nostrand Avenue branching off east of the Franklin Avenue station was to be constructed. It also depends on adding a new service to Fulton, which Im all for, but as stated in the piece Eastern Parkway already has the extra service which can just be extended. The only elevated line that the IND ever built was the Culver Viaduct between Carroll St and 4th Ave-9th Sts and this was done in a similar way. The A/C line in Brooklyn cant be tampered with, because both trains are crowded during rush hours, and the A or C cant be diverted before Broadway Junction, because then at the nearest express station, your going to see a huge crowd, and the point of Broadway Junction is to drop off the passangers to other trains to get home or to get to work. Its more of a nice-to-have thing, but all that needs to be fixed is Myrtle Interlocking and the curve at Cypress Hills, which are 1000x more cheaper. The incident happened inside the Utica Avenue subway station in Brooklyn on Christmas Eve. The Livonia Avenue branch line, known as Route No. Lest I bring on comparisons to Robert Moses I would like to point out that on the western side of Utica Ave, from the Bay Ridge Line to Flatbush Ave, there are exactly 9 residential buildings. Members hailed the decision to save the station, and were encouraged by the public response to the Adirondack operation, despite its ultimate bankruptcy. Im not suggesting building an extension of the Crosstown Subway or tearing down the Broadway El, that is merely a reproduction of the 1931 IND plan. Thanks for listening Vanshnooken! You are correct that the larger option would require shutting down service which is one reason Im in favor of the smaller option. 6. Using the IRT as the basis for a Utica Avenue line is much more feasible. It wont really be providing new services, since youre just substituting services that already exist. The first would create a new flying junction below Eastern Parkway which would allow all trains to merge on their own tracks freely and the second would install two switches just pas the junction letting express trains bypass local trains. The first option is a bit luxurious and is unlikely to happen. And normal service would still be able to run. If not too difficult, another phase could be to make the new junction after the existing Utica Avenue station so that, instead of switching between New Lots and Clarendon Road, there be a third switch to the north with an extension up to Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, utilizing the existing shell and completing it, while switching it to an IRT width. Youve shown plans to underground the Ls el as well as the Fulton and Remember, the Astoria line was originally built to IRT standards but was converted to BMT loading gauge (by shaving the wooden platforms) so that the N/R (depending on the era) could go direct to Astoria. The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. Environmentalists wont sue over the clouds of dust raised. much cheaper and fits the mtas little goes a long way attitude. Modern giant boring machines make drilling more cost effective and its common for all the tunneling to be complete years before the line can open, primarily because of stations. In the intermediate level of the mezzanine, the closed section of the mezzanine was blocked only by a chain-link fence. The tracks are outlined by a pattern in the ceiling on top of the four trackways at the Utica Avenue station; therefore it appears that there are four trackways and two island platforms running diagonally across the ceiling in the center. I like the basic idea. That already will cost millions, possibly billions. When would you see it converted to that? Most of southeast Brooklyn is built out already, the new development would require upzoning and will take time. How can build the Utica Ave Subway? Small black tile captions reading "UTICA" in white lettering on a black background run below the trim line at regular intervals. Allows handicap access via one elevator instead of three. Less light-blocking like 5 but vertical. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. Is it correct that Culver has connections in place for the 8th Ave line? When you were envisioning your Montague Tunnel connection did you explore a Hanson Place route as an alternative? Subway, local station, ADA accessible (ONLY northbound 6) 59 St. E 60 St and Lexington Ave, E 59 St and Lexington Ave, E 60 St and 3rd Ave. Four side platforms. IRT Utica would run express by default and be a much quicker commute (not to mention better transfer options at Atlantic Ave.) As you stated CBTC will boost frequency a bit more but those are all other projects that need to be done first. But that still requires 2nd Ave to be built first. The bi-level station means that the branch would have a simpler time merging with the trunk. Now during service changes where the 2/3 arent running to Bkyln, the 4 will serve Flatbush, the 5 will go to Utica, and a shuttle will run from Utica to New Lots. Both Fulton/8th Ave. and Eastern Pkwy/Broadway 7th routes hit up with all three major employment destinations. By SAS standards thatd run to 7 billion. Kings Plaza isnt downtown Flushing so you arent going to have that demand. Climbing the steps to the intermediate level, there are locked doors that serve as access to the unfinished platforms. 5 all times except late nights, 6. Delays wont occur because of judges ordering you to change your practices to mitigate pollution or traffic effects. The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. But you are right, at G/J/M/Z transfer would be best! It has to go BWY7 which means local tracks in Brooklyn. [17] On August 23, 1920, the Eastern Parkway Line was extended from Atlantic Avenue to Crown HeightsUtica Avenue, with the Utica Avenue station opening at this time. Two narrow staircases and one elevator connect both platforms to a small upper level mezzanine that has two public restrooms (one for men and the other for women) and leads to a bank of turnstiles. Would it be possible to connect the Utica Avenue like with the Fulton Street line? Contents 1 History 2 Station layout 2.1 Unfinished station 2.2 Exits [30] In 2015, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced his proposal for an extension of the 3 and 4 trains down Utica Avenue. Nostrand is also a major corridor, and demand would be enough for both buses and subway. Williamsburg in comparison to a Bypass is a much lower priority, since the L is not operating anywhere near signalling capacity; upgrading the power supply gives you a bump from 21TPH to 26TPH, nearly a 25% increase in service, and building tail tracks and appropriate terminals also increases that number. Keep in mind that they wouldnt remove the existing switches so that trains from Brooklyn College could still reverse at Franklin and access New Lots or Utica. Its not a great idea but I was going off what I heard. You bring up a good point. Finnaly, the A/C Utica Av station is directly under Utica Av. This was built into the station as a provision for the proposed Utica Avenue Line, which is why the station itself has no exits to Utica Avenue. Past Clarendon Rd the line would split with two tracks peeling east to a new yard facility built along the LIRR Bay Ridge line (requiring land taking). Yet youd have it built to B division clearances. Building a subway in these conditions means having to deal with tunnel flooding more so than normal and flooding means corrosion. Arent they doing An additional part of the project would be to create a better terminal at Flatbush Ave-Brooklyn College. Since youll be maxing out both midtown IRT express lines, New Lots and Utica combined will always have to equal Nostrand. Additionally, the Fulton-Utica service would have to be local only with an awkward transfer at Utica Ave station. Now we dont want that, do we? The current switch layout requires that local trains merge directly in front of express trains causing delays and capacity constrains. It was first constructed as the Eighth Avenue Line in Manhattan in 1932.. One of three rail networks that became part of the . BBGUN63. Last but not least, are the 2 and 3 doing skip stop? want to either go to Midtown West or Midtown East. . But MTA really needs to build an extension down Utica because its very dense, very isolated, and very cheap to build. I never said I disagreed with staging it so that Utica is first built. So are you proposing adding a branch that runs north of Eastern Parkway to Fulton St? In California money itd be about 2. Part of why I wanted to write this post was to point out the downsides to going with an IND style Utica Ave over IRT. When looking at your plans for Utica Avenue, you seem to only put emphasize on what the area is like now and not in the future. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. On narrow right of way, place one track at ground level and the other above. Given the upfront costs of building it that seems like a waste (yes, 2nd Ave only hits that with the Q but it is at least designed to add the T later on). Your 3/4 routing doesnt work anymore. The first is building a complicated junction that lets you send trains anywhere, which I think is what you are suggesting. The 8th Ave Subway was designed to replace the 9th Ave El, the 6th Ave and 2nd Ave Subways to replace elevateds running above their avenues. Far simpler with more capacity. The two street staircases lead out to the two malls on either side of the main road of Eastern Parkway on the west side of Schenectady Avenue. Adding another train to Queens Blvd is a problem. Close by to where youd have your subway portal at Kings Highway is the Bay Ridge branch. Or just stay on your train. Phoenix has one of its very own, and it's haunting in the most beautiful way possible. And thats a jump I dont think we could ever make. [11]:194[7], On March 19, 1913, New York City, the Brooklyn Rapid Transit Company, and the IRT reached an agreement, known as the Dual Contracts, to drastically expand subway service across New York City. Barring a brand new line paralleling the EPL and Fulton, which wouldnt make sense as long as capacity can still be raised on those lines, the Fulton Street line looks like the only way to ever realize that greater capacity. I just disagree with a Worth St subway being the best choice, since unlike the Second Avenue tracks, the Eighth Av local does have capacity constraints in the railroad north direction (both CPW local and 53 St have two services each, which is about as much as you want to push on a pair of tracks before service gets too unreliable). The Canarsie and Myrtle Lines. Abandoned 9th Avenue Subway Station. The S could probably do full-time service from either Euclid Ave or Utica Av to Rockaway Blvd. Nice ideas so far! Pseudo-viaducts. This would also take relief off of the (B)/(Q) trains to the west. Gov. Stations are going to be more expensive no matter what because so much more is expected of them now. Well then what are we waiting for? and weekends the 5 doesnt go to Brooklyn. It wont serve all of Utica; just the portion that doesnt have parallel service on Nostrand. and would cost a TON less money, I think like 10x less even with politicians, and would meet up at some kind of terminal like Times Square. 3 and 4 train service through East . In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. SAS-Grand Central future awkward? Go for a What are the closest stations to Utica Avenue? Subway to Williamsburg Bridge proposal.. Youre less likely to be the goat. Touring: F train to East Broadway. The Utica provisions at Fulton are on the upper level and cross perpendicular to the lower platforms. It looks to be about two miles long. However, if such a public-private partnership could be established and developers enlisted to build the stations then a couple more could be added. But that off-road el idea is just too cool to pass up (I love your picture of the Chicago train going through the building). [22] This is the easternmost underground and four-track subway station on the Eastern Parkway Line; to the east (railroad south) of here, the local tracks rises and become the IRT New Lots Line, while the express tracks end at bumper blocks just under Ralph Avenue. Same dilemma as if underground. Knowing the reality of MTA construction I would argue that the second plan is the preferable option. This seems right as Fulton intersects cross-streets at that angle. Meaning if the Livonia Yards are overcrowded and a train-related incident happens at Franklin;blocking off service to Manhattan, trains can run between New Lots and Flatbush and/or Kings Plaza and Flatbush. Same goes for if a problem happens by Flatbush or Utica, a train can be easily detoured to another branch. (Plans for a Utica Ave. subway in 1969 involved extending the IRT instead of the IND.) Subway prematurely. This Fascinating Abandoned Train Station In Arizona Is A True Piece Of History. south of 63rd V from Bypass to Utica via Williamsburg, 15 TPH each. The only Crime Statistics (PDF) Crime Statistics (Excel) Contact Information. Remember any from of transit is only used when planning for the future such as the L train renovations and Clark tunnel reconstruction. If we build to IND station size (while making easily-removable platforms extensions that allow the platforms to be disabled accessible to IRT trains) wouldnt that allow the subway to easily expand capacity once they find the money to make an IND connection or just convert the IRT to the IND gauge? Say we got together and bought the local NBA franchise. The station's I-beam columns are painted maroon, alternating ones having the standard black station name plate with white lettering. mind=the same Despite his influence as Senate Majority Leader, the Utica Avenue subway may never leave the station. Unusually, there are two mezzanine levels; the upper mezzanine level was closed off after a 1995 renovation, and the lower mezzanine level is actually the platform level of the unbuilt Utica Avenue line. No spidery stairwells going to the ground. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. Even 2nd Ave had to take a few buildings for ventilation plants. There is actually going to be a place to connect that will be much easier; the Second Avenue Subways current iteration is supposed to have lower level storage tracks from 21st to 9th Sts. Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. Your plan strips the West End from one-seat access to Chinatown and Midtown. 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