But it is frustrating when you see the standard of play in the success of play because often the argument is so well medals will will win for funding means as it does in the UK for example with lottery funding they want to see the medals first but it can be a catch 22 as well. Okay. Its a great question. That access is all a part of being accessible right the accessibility of sport. Just a little over 18 months I want to dig a little bit deeper into what youre working on now because Australia of course seems in many ways to tell us and the rest of the world is one of the leaders when it comes to womens sports in terms of equality and opportunity facilities and so on. These are the kinds of conversations he has. And if I had had men in the public service say youll never be able to be this boss of this office and run this budget do make this change because youve never done it before then. conversations from the world of women's sports. Well why doesnt the UCI the governing body say if you want to hold a rice race licence you have to broadcast X amount and you have to provide the footage and everyone would pass the buck and say its not their job. [00:34:33] They came away from the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games last year with some pretty sobering data. What theyve also done is looked around and thought Wow we dont have a lawyer or we dont have a community fund raiser or we dont have a person who understands around membership protection. They drop out at all different parts of their lives milestones of their lives for example university or pregnancy or menopause or an aged parts of their lives. In road cycling, where images of men with lean, tanned legs and hollowed cheekbones had been emblematic of true professionalism, most teams aspired for the same appearance for their women riders. We know in many cases that can lead to violence. [00:36:16] Theres theres thousands of reasons that get put forward as to why a woman cant actually follow around the head coach of a mens cricket team and just think OK what does this job look like and how would I do it if it were me because thats how I learned how to be a doctor. And we do look forward to continuing the conversation with you so thanks again and well stay in touch. Shes very tall incredible flexibility of this photograph of her kicking so her legs completely apart almost 90 degrees flexible hips incredible flexible flexibility and strength. O'Donnell said her primary education was also unique, going to the Blackall Range Independent School, which shunned traditional classroom education and held many lessons run by parents. We have estimated , money, salary, income, and assets. Taylor Harris herself was interviewed on the radio sort of saying I know you shouldnt read the comments but Ive read them and these are by some men whove got women in their profile pictures you know wives and probably kids. A typical training day would unfold in a series of slow, generally silent manoeuvres. But more of them are mind lovingly great and a privilege an absolute privilege to work in an industry to be paid a salary every fortnight to do something that is affecting change for millions of people is a distinct privilege and I just I know its the job of my lifetime. And that I think has been the extraordinary difference for professional womens sporting leagues and teams is that theyve had to grow and blossom and be criticised in the most ridiculous level of scrutiny both on social media from anonymous abusers but also from just you know male commentators saying this is boring I dont like watching this and it wasnt that long ago that I was commentating Road World Cycling Championships and we were hearing commentators from other countries saying this is a boring race nothings happening with therefore womens cycling is boring without any insight into the idea that these women are not only different physiological beasts but its a different race with different team numbers. in Queensland to help to help them fast track their board quotas in whatever form it they are helping them learn for our from our mistakes and our lessons. These werent really. And were seeing this more in the States. Thats where all of our networking events support it. Thank you for joining me. But we do have a lot of great wheelchair athletes who did very well obviously in Rio and do very well. Thats sort of resistent attitude. But the 41-year-old former Mapleton woman this week broke the world hour record, riding 46.882 kilometres in 60 minutes 609 metres further than the existing record. But we do have a lot of great wheelchair athletes who did very well obviously in Rio and do very well. Weve had a multibillionaire man invest in the NBL here and he owns the league and a couple of teams but no multibillionaire is common said. Im sick of people saying thats not our job to do this or were just waiting for a bigger sponsor. As long as many more episodes of different shows we have now over a thousand episodes and a global audience reach now of more than three million. Six years of med school was helpful but actually following around the senior doctor and thinking Okay heres what being a surgeon involves. [00:19:16] Managing their social media accounts and to make it very clear that this is a powerful image that needs to be shown and and it became an accelerated image the world started talking about this. Its my life you know. And so whilst we are we have scholarship programs that are offered. The citation noted Dr O'Donnell's extensive work as a physician, professional athlete and gender equality expert, becoming the inaugural Director of the Victorian Government's Office for Women in Sport and Recreation . Women and what they when they dug down into these. First, she worked as a medical practitioner. Organisations that deliver Sport and Recreation to Victorians that are funded by government. Dr Bridie ODonnell is a bike race commentator for SBS, medical practitioner and former professional road cyclist. And its amazing what it is to be constantly comparing yourselves to world champions because firstly you have to learn to deal disappointment on a regular basis but what it also does is it actually really reframes your way of thinking about well what can what do I need to do to perform. In November, 2017, Bridie was appointed the inaugural Head of the Office for Women in Sport and Recreation by the Victorian Government and in May, 2018 she published Life and Death a cycling memoir about her experiences as a professional cyclist in the international peloton. So those kinds of images have far more reach than one could ever imagine. So theyve actually done skill ordered some of them quite formally and others more informally and theyve diversified their boards and they have more young people for example or they have a parent whos really invested in the sport but has never had any opportunity to have a voice in her organisation. And when Peggy talks people listen. [00:22:31] And she said well you know what I did some digging and I found out that everyone checks their responsibility or their part to play in the way. But its early days but theres no doubt that what were seeing now is instead of the why we used to there would have been a lot of the why why should we fund womens sport or why women arent as good as men. So you know there are opportunities out there. Bridie: In 2007, Cycling Australia put a call out to other sports for athletes with the potential to become time trialists. We have had women meddling in basketball at the Olympics for five six Olympics and yet and we have some of the best basketball is in the world have come from Australia. So theyve actually done skill ordered some of them quite formally and others more informally and theyve diversified their boards and they have more young people for example or they have a parent whos really invested in the sport but has never had any opportunity to have a voice in her organisation. That access is all a part of being accessible right the accessibility of sport. And yet we have over 30000 girls and women registered to play was he rules in this state and hundreds more that are paid teach physical education teachers or former coaches in other jobs that could be highly qualified to do that. Teach you about what what it requires to be a woman in leadership and sport in Australia. So youre right were seeing enormous change and you mentioned the M O U the memorandum understanding the Cricket Australia finally succumb to with the male and female cricket players here and look at the impact thats had on our Australian women. Ensuring that girls and women can show up to sporting clubs and feel safe included theres not just this sort of dark mahogany with pictures of men who won in 1963 that these places are family friendly and people want to. And then about nine months later they announced that there would be a campaign sort of suite of initiatives called change again. I really do appreciate it. Just go to the listen tab on the main menu at the top there and drop down to transcending sport and youll find all previous episodes of this show too. So these are things like nipple Victoria hockey Victoria swimming Victoria and three years ago before I even started they were instructed that there would be a board quota. But more of them are mind lovingly great and a privilege an absolute privilege to work in an industry to be paid a salary every fortnight to do something that is affecting change for millions of people is a distinct privilege and I just I know its the job of my lifetime. Killer pizza from mars calories; The personality will become 45 years old in the upcoming year. I would imagine on your To Do list we do have a huge agenda and we have just a small team but we but theyre terrific. There are frequently motorbikes with cameras following us through the whole three hours and definitely on the footage of the climb at the finale and it was never like on television they didnt even do a 30 minute highlight package 10 years ago and I remember having a conversation with a woman director of a team over in Europe saying why is that. We have 17 per cent of school aged children are getting the required amount of physical exercise every day of one hour one hour of movement and only 17 percent of kids are getting it. I can tell you that. But, like so many young women I would encounter in my time racing, she would only allow me to be a doctor on her terms. Now how do you do you have any thought so. We were racing at the flesh while on which is a famous race in Belgium with the iconic one kilometer and 10 percent climb at the finale and the women do the race in the morning sort of around 10 or 11 and then the end of the race in the afternoon in the mens races of course live on free to air TV across Europe and America millions of people watch the womens race. You dont get what you want a lot. And what of the swimsuit she misses? [00:34:19] And how about the increase in female coaches. Thats a powerful image of a man who knows her sport. Head Coach - Rowing South Australian Sports Institute Aug 2022 - Present5 months Adelaide, South Australia, Australia Head of Rowing Xavier College Aug 2020 - Aug 20222 years 1 month Senior High. Ive been an athlete than a successful athlete. And if you say those things about women or you you devalue women and show them no respect. Then it would have been an even more difficult. Bridie O'Donnells income source is mostly from being a successful . 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So learning that online is not good enough. How we overcome this hurdle of you know challenging the networks to make this free to air and satisfying the sponsors and getting the coverage that women need in the media. And when it is provided to them in a really classy package if you like it at the best stadium with the greatest amenity and the best TV coverage and free to air they will watch it. [00:29:45] Organisations that deliver Sport and Recreation to Victorians that are funded by government. I would grab Gypsy, my rescue greyhound, and some family heirlooms that might be of very little value to others but are of great sentimental value to me. So it actually wasnt until I was in my second year of medical school I went straight into medical school out of high school and I started doing a triathlon. [00:04:31] You can imagine there were dozens or they said to me you know 100 women and men applied for this job. And when it is provided to them in a really classy package if you like it at the best stadium with the greatest amenity and the best TV coverage and free to air they will watch it. And if youve said to me a year ago that Id be sitting down with other jurisdictions and talking about how important it was that we are going to bid for the Womens World Cup football in 2023 to host that in four years time I would have thought Id. You have to work with people of varying abilities different types and motivations and you have to rally them all you have to have a plan and b c and d when things dont go your way. Dr O'Donnell is a medical doctor, graduating from the University of Queensland's school of medicine in 1998 and is the current head of the Office for Woman in Sport and Recreation for the Victorian State Government. Our guest this week is Dr. Bridie ODonnell, Head of the Office for Women in Sport and Recreation in Melbourne, Australia to discuss the issues affecting women and girls from her perspective, the progress that the organization has made to advance women and girls participation in sport and the challenges that lie ahead. The Silver Ferns where were sitting and we also saw and Im sure this photograph reached across the world is the photograph of Taylor Harris That was the most glorious examination and image of a woman kicking sheet. I really do appreciate it. I bought it on holiday in Antibes in France, and it made me feel very European, mon cheri. Now if we come back to Australia and we look at the WB ls a great example we have the fourth season of The Womens Big Bash. During her residency she was a rower and then an iron man triathlete and finished theq Ironman highway world championship in 2006. Its not actually how well am I getting along with my family my children my wife my husband my parents. You know how to deliver you keep going when youre tired you keep going when youre annoyed when it rains when its windy. You know these are the difficult things to manage training when its cold and wet and rainy is actually quite simple compared to inter family tensions or a difficult boss or trying to manage team leaders or staff that you you just cannot seem to get on the same level. I soon realised the reason for her meandering: the beauty of riding for long, slow hours with no money on her was that she wouldnt be tempted or able to eat. Now we didnt see an increase in broadcasting of womens professional sport on Foxtel over that time and there was definitely some rattling of cans and people saying hang on a second. For women, it was a legal version of doping, without the financial cost or the risk of being caught breaking the rules. [00:18:32] That photograph was circulated by a very well-known AFL photographer here Michael Wilson whos received awards for the photo. As a medical practitioner and a professional athlete with experience across many sports, my opinions are always shaped by a mixture of theoretical and practical knowledge. In 2006, she finished Ironman Austria, Ironman Hawaii and rode a bike course record at Busselton Ironman. Our guest this week is Dr. Bridie ODonnell who is head of the Office for Women in Sport and Recreation in Melbourne Australia and she is here to discuss the issues affecting women and girls from her perspective. You know these are the things that shape us for when were sitting in a very difficult meeting with difficult personalities or when we have staff who are feeling unrecognized via a process thats happening whether thats in government or in medical industries and as I said Ive been a doctor for a very long time. Theres no way were going to get that across the line. But as youve seen globally weve been taken over by Russia China the UK and definitely the US. You know we had yes we had the Olympics in 1956 we had the Sydney Olympics in 2000 we were one of the first countries in the world to have an institute of sport. Devastatingly however, it was working: her illnessI saw it clearly as an illnesswas performance-enhancing. There were a lot of team vans that had no seatbelts in the backseats, which terrified me. And I think that is a conundrum too about you know we do need bums on seats and we do need the women to be attending sports events and filling these stadiums too. [00:39:37] And if youd like to find out more about Bridies work and the organization you could find a link in the show notes accompanying this episode at WiSP Sports dot com. Pic: Collingwood FC/Instagram. We don't have much information about She's past relationship and any previous engaged. And how about the increase in female coaches. I dont know if you saw just recently there were some moderate criticism about the scheduling of the nipple World Cup that they played a lot of games in a short space of time which for Lisa Alexander the coach of the diamonds said you know she felt that the time is now to expand that tournament to greater numbers of days which of course takes greater investment to allow the athletes to give their best so that theyre at their best and theyre not actually fatigued by the final game and obviously New Zealand had such an extraordinary performance there to win again. And if you say those things about women or you you devalue women and show them no respect. Search Log In Sign Up So being active playing sport engaged in it in their life. But I think thats a long conversation and when I do that we can solve it here now. And so whilst were not where we need to be in terms of pay equality and the number of women in leadership positions and the doors that are open to girls and women of all abilities and all genders and all racial backgrounds we are certainly much in a much better position than we have been even two years ago. [00:30:53] And what has happened is seven white straight men have put their hand up. If you want to learn more about him, check this article after a few days. Collingwood's latest addition to the club's embattled board denies she became a Magpies member after being approached to join. The Silver Ferns where were sitting and we also saw and Im sure this photograph reached across the world is the photograph of Taylor Harris That was the most glorious examination and image of a woman kicking sheet. Bridie O'Donnell's tumultuous tenure at . Were seeing this more in the year in the UK and in parts of Europe with the different networks too. These werent really. Bridie O'Donnell's recent post did not go down well with many AFL fans. But I had incredibly supportive colleagues and certainly the public service is very good at that. The rigors and sometimes the bullying and abuse that comes with professional sport. And then when theyre not the fastest anymore they dont know what to do next. [00:20:59] You mentioned a couple of times there Bridie in the last few minutes about the Fitbit the free to air TV that that makes a big difference in terms of exposure for womens sports. So were not even retaining our high performance coaches from one Commonwealth Games to another. And then what needed to come from that and there were nine recommendations that came from this report and the Victorian Government committed to implementing all nine of them. Bridie was appointed the inaugural head of the Office for Women and Sport and Recreation by the Victorian Government and in May 2018 she published a life and death a cycling memoir about her experiences as a professional cyclist in the international peloton. How do they respect and talk about women in their privacy of their own home. So sports shapes you in all of these ways and you you I guess you have this benchmark and you think you know what I have done harder shit than this. Dont rub it in. So I was appointed in November 2017. So all I need to do my job is curiosity persistence support from my employer and my colleagues and a willingness to learn and anyone can do any job when they had those four characteristics. She represented Australia at three Road World Championships and broke the UCI Womens Hour World Record in 2016, riding 46.882km at the Adelaide Superdrome. If you have any comments or questions about the shows that we do or suggestions for guests please do drop us a line to info at WiSP Sports dot com. During her residency she was a rower and then an iron man triathlete and finished theq Ironman highway world championship in 2006. [00:16:37] But its early days but theres no doubt that what were seeing now is instead of the why we used to there would have been a lot of the why why should we fund womens sport or why women arent as good as men. The core values of WiSP Sports are based on the following principles to: WiSP Sports, Inc. Because Im most curious about this you know being in the media for as long as I have. O'Donnell will have "a week or so of non-goal oriented behaviour" before training for the national road cycling competition with the Women's Rush Cycling Team. Theres theres thousands of reasons that get put forward as to why a woman cant actually follow around the head coach of a mens cricket team and just think OK what does this job look like and how would I do it if it were me because thats how I learned how to be a doctor. It became a vicious cycle. Inwardly, I shook my head contemplating the likely osteoporosis resulting from her weight loss, the amenorrhoea and the malnutrition. At times it turned into a battle not only against the worlds best cyclists but of also shutting out the voices bluntly telling her she was too old, too fat and too slow. In the early season Spring Classics, races in northern Europe that were renowned for their cobbled roads and inclement weather, race winners were invariably strong, ferocious Dutch or Belgian women who didnt mind sideways rain or being put in the gutter (pushed to the dangerous and unpredictable soft edges of the roads) by other riders. And since Title 9 in the United States were seeing now a third generation of girls and women benefiting from legislation that allows them to receive the same financial support at universities. So Im sorry Im getting to the roundabout part of your question but yeah I was a completely ordinary and active kid grew up in a regional part of Queensland with parents whod sort of taken a bit of a tree change and left a city to work in a very hippy sort of school I suppose it was like a Montessori or an unorganized but very creative supported school. Has this been a lifelong passion and did you. They could do it five years ago they would probably struggle and so well I think we need to determine the barriers. Ive been an athlete than a successful athlete. [00:21:41] Its a great question. The first day she gets it and I am living breathing example of that that I had never worked in government before and all I was was just a washed up athlete doctor. [00:13:22] Well thats like where its very nicely into my next point. [00:28:48] Yes absolutely and weve covered them here on WiSP Sports going back to whats on your desk now. Bridie also managed and reached for Rush womens team a national road series cycling team in Australia in 2016. What were seeing now is those people are being left behind. in Queensland to help to help them fast track their board quotas in whatever form it they are helping them learn for our from our mistakes and our lessons. So the bar was really high so I got my arse handed handed to me every single race. And if I had had men in the public service say youll never be able to be this boss of this office and run this budget do make this change because youve never done it before then. In 2007 she began road cycling and in 2008 after winning the national time trial title she raced on the Australian national team and then professional teams in Europe and the United States representing Australia at three world championships. You know you become quite self-absorbed and so focused and you have to be. So youre youre pioneers in some way. Peggy is an amazing trailblazer here in Australia and she chaired and there were some very important influential powerful athletes and administrators women and men involved in this inquiry that published a report at the end of 12 months and what they had looked into were some specific data around a number of women girls participating in sport access to facilities that these women and girls have number of women in leadership positions in sport. So it had both sides of politics supporting the inquiry and it was chaired by an American. My teammate would eat an apple. When I offered an unsolicited opinionone that in any way questioned maladaptive or unhealthy behaviorit was greeted with silence, a dismissive and wagging finger, or eye-rolling. The first day she gets it and I am living breathing example of that that I had never worked in government before and all I was was just a washed up athlete doctor. So the bar was really high so I got my arse handed handed to me every single race. First, she worked as a medical practitioner. So Im sorry Im getting to the roundabout part of your question but yeah I was a completely ordinary and active kid grew up in a regional part of Queensland with parents whod sort of taken a bit of a tree change and left a city to work in a very hippy sort of school I suppose it was like a Montessori or an unorganized but very creative supported school. 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